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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Mr. Yancey. I&#039;m one of the people who posted a comment on your past article, &quot;International grace&quot; on 2/16/11. I looked back my posting and realized that what I&#039;m struggling with hasn&#039;t changed. My church life here in America has never been easy since. But I have been to church on and off. 

American Christian churches&#039; seemingly general ongoing mixture of worshipping the Lord and the sate/esp. military can make me feel like suffocating. Almost no church members and pastors seem to question about this and see this as idol-worshipping so that it is sinful. Even some of them would see a person like me as unbiblical and would like to expel a person like me. But still they blindly believe they ARE the Christians.  

As I wrote in my last post, they seem to be always right. 

Because they are right and &#039;faithful Christians,&#039; God is always on their side. 
I think this is one of the factors why the world hates America. 

I was shocked at yesterday&#039;s service, when I assume so many preachers in the U.S. preached that Christians should respect and honor men and women in the uniform. But what shocked me was more than that. Our pastor repeatedly said in his sermon that the soldiers fought and died for American Christians&#039; freedom, freedom to read the Bible, freedom to come to church and freedom to spread the Gospel. My jaws almost dropped off. Are all the soldiers Christians? Does/Did the U.S. government order the troops to fight for the Christians’ freedom? It was so disappointing to hear such preaching. 

I understand that I should tolerate so many unpleasant, &#039;ungrace&#039;-kind of things to hear in this secular world. But what I struggle with is I have to hear something that doesn&#039;t accord to what Jesus wants us to know, be and do from church leaders, relishing with Word of God or even in the name of God. 

Somehow many people in this country (maybe in other countries, too) seem to believe in a religion called America. Just like other religions, this religion seems to bear &#039;un-grace&#039; while Christianity reveals grace. Whether those who believe in this are Christians or not, they often seem blindfolded and they do not care about what the rest of the world sees them and still see themselves always righteous. Already being a top-dog, the U.S. may have some more reasons to be unfavored by rest of the world.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Americans do presume a kind of exceptionalism, and indeed we&#039;ve been exceptionally blessed.  It&#039;s very tempting for successful people or nations to exercise humility. Instead we develop a kind of entitlement mentality and in some cases arrogance.  Good reminder.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mr. Yancey. I&#8217;m one of the people who posted a comment on your past article, &#8220;International grace&#8221; on 2/16/11. I looked back my posting and realized that what I&#8217;m struggling with hasn&#8217;t changed. My church life here in America has never been easy since. But I have been to church on and off. </p>
<p>American Christian churches&#8217; seemingly general ongoing mixture of worshipping the Lord and the sate/esp. military can make me feel like suffocating. Almost no church members and pastors seem to question about this and see this as idol-worshipping so that it is sinful. Even some of them would see a person like me as unbiblical and would like to expel a person like me. But still they blindly believe they ARE the Christians.  </p>
<p>As I wrote in my last post, they seem to be always right. </p>
<p>Because they are right and &#8216;faithful Christians,&#8217; God is always on their side.<br />
I think this is one of the factors why the world hates America. </p>
<p>I was shocked at yesterday&#8217;s service, when I assume so many preachers in the U.S. preached that Christians should respect and honor men and women in the uniform. But what shocked me was more than that. Our pastor repeatedly said in his sermon that the soldiers fought and died for American Christians&#8217; freedom, freedom to read the Bible, freedom to come to church and freedom to spread the Gospel. My jaws almost dropped off. Are all the soldiers Christians? Does/Did the U.S. government order the troops to fight for the Christians’ freedom? It was so disappointing to hear such preaching. </p>
<p>I understand that I should tolerate so many unpleasant, &#8216;ungrace&#8217;-kind of things to hear in this secular world. But what I struggle with is I have to hear something that doesn&#8217;t accord to what Jesus wants us to know, be and do from church leaders, relishing with Word of God or even in the name of God. </p>
<p>Somehow many people in this country (maybe in other countries, too) seem to believe in a religion called America. Just like other religions, this religion seems to bear &#8216;un-grace&#8217; while Christianity reveals grace. Whether those who believe in this are Christians or not, they often seem blindfolded and they do not care about what the rest of the world sees them and still see themselves always righteous. Already being a top-dog, the U.S. may have some more reasons to be unfavored by rest of the world.</p>
<blockquote><p>Americans do presume a kind of exceptionalism, and indeed we&#8217;ve been exceptionally blessed.  It&#8217;s very tempting for successful people or nations to exercise humility. Instead we develop a kind of entitlement mentality and in some cases arrogance.  Good reminder.
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 11:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Mr. Yancey, for understanding and kindness in response to my comment. I have my &quot;soapbox moments&quot; and the writing gets messy, like life. I appreciate your kind apology, the pain (physical aside) in hearing this type of preaching cuts me deep inside, but not for myself as much as for what the church in this country seems to be, for the harm it is doing in the world, for the lies about who God really is; how vast and big and incomprehensible our God really is. 

Here I am, Sunday morning, I have been awake since 4am. I want to go to church. I don&#039;t want to go to church. I want to go, and worship God without demanding a healing, without reminding Him of the ways He is supposed to behave, without the preacher preaching their ideas and doctrine and theology and being so unaware that it is an icon . They tell me I want the perfect church, I don&#039;t think so. I want to worship with people who know how BIG God is, how small we are. I want a church that introduces people to our living God, one that allows Him to do His work in us; one not afraid to say that sometimes life stinks, it hurts, I hurt, I don&#039;t have the answers but here...here...is God. I want a church that does not try to define Him in 3 points, a church that does not attempt to diminish God to my understanding or elevate me to His level (I am a friend of God...repeat 22 times and call it a worship song), but one that points to Him, and, as C.S.Lewis writes of, encourages me to invite the great iconoclast to work in my live life.
For starters, this is what I want.
It is this God alone that will sustain us and give us joy when we live with poverty and abuse and abundance and everything in between the two and when our  child dies and when our spouse experiences flashbacks of war, and when our daily life is pain. Ask me how I know.  It is this God, the big one, the Creator and Redeemer I seek, and know that even then, my understanding is an icon! 
OK, soapbox over, I step down! Thanks for being a pointer to Him, your writing is a hand to hold along the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr. Yancey, for understanding and kindness in response to my comment. I have my &#8220;soapbox moments&#8221; and the writing gets messy, like life. I appreciate your kind apology, the pain (physical aside) in hearing this type of preaching cuts me deep inside, but not for myself as much as for what the church in this country seems to be, for the harm it is doing in the world, for the lies about who God really is; how vast and big and incomprehensible our God really is. </p>
<p>Here I am, Sunday morning, I have been awake since 4am. I want to go to church. I don&#8217;t want to go to church. I want to go, and worship God without demanding a healing, without reminding Him of the ways He is supposed to behave, without the preacher preaching their ideas and doctrine and theology and being so unaware that it is an icon . They tell me I want the perfect church, I don&#8217;t think so. I want to worship with people who know how BIG God is, how small we are. I want a church that introduces people to our living God, one that allows Him to do His work in us; one not afraid to say that sometimes life stinks, it hurts, I hurt, I don&#8217;t have the answers but here&#8230;here&#8230;is God. I want a church that does not try to define Him in 3 points, a church that does not attempt to diminish God to my understanding or elevate me to His level (I am a friend of God&#8230;repeat 22 times and call it a worship song), but one that points to Him, and, as C.S.Lewis writes of, encourages me to invite the great iconoclast to work in my live life.<br />
For starters, this is what I want.<br />
It is this God alone that will sustain us and give us joy when we live with poverty and abuse and abundance and everything in between the two and when our  child dies and when our spouse experiences flashbacks of war, and when our daily life is pain. Ask me how I know.  It is this God, the big one, the Creator and Redeemer I seek, and know that even then, my understanding is an icon!<br />
OK, soapbox over, I step down! Thanks for being a pointer to Him, your writing is a hand to hold along the way.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 12:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been trying for several days to write you in a way that would communicate the experience I am, once again, living through. This may not be appropriate for your comments here, no harm by not approving it.
I am just short of my 60th birthday and have not had a day without some amount of pain in at least 15 years. My spine, cervical to sacral, has decided to wage war against me living a normal life, I am now deciding on having my 5th and 6th surgeries, or stopping here. Each one helps for a bit, each one causes further damage. There are people worse than me, I am worse (pain wise, but not limited to pain!) than others. 
I am a Christian, though that word has become harder for me to admit to, not because of fear of identification with Christ, but instead, with the religion.
I am reading your book on pain for about the 5th time. &quot;Where is God When It Hurts?&quot; has been a lifesaver, a warm comforter to curl up with, a friend to sit by me and encourage me since a pastor shared his battered copy with me 9 years ago.

Quite bluntly, I have to fight resentment and even hate feelings **gasp** frequently at the Christianity being promoted in our country. I love my country, I love the Lord, but I have to tell you I am about fed up with walking in churches with my walker  (which I am so blessed to be able to run into a discount store and purchase and have mobility!) and being looked at as though it is a symbol of sin in my life, as happened as little as 2 weeks ago. The preacher stood there and said God wants to heal everyone and if He is not healing you it is because of something standing in the way, that in his experience, people who are not healed are grumblers and complainers who need to get over it so God will step in and heal. It was a long walk to the exit.  I felt the weight of the eyes of judgement and speculation added to the weight of my body!
 He also went on to proclaim that God wants everyone to be rich, prosperous and blessed financially so we can go out and bless others. He stated he is not a prosperity preacher, he is a truth preacher.
 
Why does every denomination and most preachers seem to think that they have the REAL understanding of the Bible? If you disagree with me, you disagree with God and His Word? It is not just my God that I want you to know, it is not just Jesus Christ, and Him crucified that I am sharing, it is my understanding and I understand everything and what I understand is the truth and if you don&#039;t agree with me you don&#039;t agree with God and His Word.

What is the response when this teaching goes to China, and Peru and all over the world as is the plan of this man (please understand, this is my latest encounter, not my only, with this teaching.) and his wife? Is this really the message we are to bring around the world? Are we really supposed to be preaching our culture and thoughts and values to people who have need of a Christ we can cling to even when (especially when) there is no healing and prosperity and relief of pain or even a drug store to walk in and buy a new set of wheels?
So now I can move on to another church, maybe the one with the split between the pastor and the assistant pastor..oh, now I have two choices..and the same split divided families because only sinners went with the pastor according to the asst. pastor, and only visa versa. Because, of course, each on had THE TRUTH.  I could go on, I won&#039;t.

I agree with you that we are NOT supposed to have all the answers. No one has all the truth. We live in a world full of broken and fallen pieces and the question is not as much &quot;why&quot;, as what will I do with it? Telling the world that their poverty and sickness and lack of wealth and healing is a sign of their sinfulness is a great way to spread hate, don&#039;t you think?


&lt;blockquote&gt;Linda, I think this is a great place for your comments, because now more people can read them, as compared to a private letter.  I agree with you completely, and have a file drawer full of letters from people who have experienced something of the rejection and pain you have felt because of insensitive and wrong-headed Christians.  The damage is especially pernicious in the developing world.  In those countries people flood in the front door believing they&#039;ve found a magic solution to poverty, injustice, and suffering.  They leave with heads down out the back door, betrayed not by the Gospel (consider Jesus and Paul and their difficult lives) but by the misguided American overlay.  Preach it, sister. I apologize to you on behalf of the church that hurt you. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been trying for several days to write you in a way that would communicate the experience I am, once again, living through. This may not be appropriate for your comments here, no harm by not approving it.<br />
I am just short of my 60th birthday and have not had a day without some amount of pain in at least 15 years. My spine, cervical to sacral, has decided to wage war against me living a normal life, I am now deciding on having my 5th and 6th surgeries, or stopping here. Each one helps for a bit, each one causes further damage. There are people worse than me, I am worse (pain wise, but not limited to pain!) than others.<br />
I am a Christian, though that word has become harder for me to admit to, not because of fear of identification with Christ, but instead, with the religion.<br />
I am reading your book on pain for about the 5th time. &#8220;Where is God When It Hurts?&#8221; has been a lifesaver, a warm comforter to curl up with, a friend to sit by me and encourage me since a pastor shared his battered copy with me 9 years ago.</p>
<p>Quite bluntly, I have to fight resentment and even hate feelings **gasp** frequently at the Christianity being promoted in our country. I love my country, I love the Lord, but I have to tell you I am about fed up with walking in churches with my walker  (which I am so blessed to be able to run into a discount store and purchase and have mobility!) and being looked at as though it is a symbol of sin in my life, as happened as little as 2 weeks ago. The preacher stood there and said God wants to heal everyone and if He is not healing you it is because of something standing in the way, that in his experience, people who are not healed are grumblers and complainers who need to get over it so God will step in and heal. It was a long walk to the exit.  I felt the weight of the eyes of judgement and speculation added to the weight of my body!<br />
 He also went on to proclaim that God wants everyone to be rich, prosperous and blessed financially so we can go out and bless others. He stated he is not a prosperity preacher, he is a truth preacher.</p>
<p>Why does every denomination and most preachers seem to think that they have the REAL understanding of the Bible? If you disagree with me, you disagree with God and His Word? It is not just my God that I want you to know, it is not just Jesus Christ, and Him crucified that I am sharing, it is my understanding and I understand everything and what I understand is the truth and if you don&#8217;t agree with me you don&#8217;t agree with God and His Word.</p>
<p>What is the response when this teaching goes to China, and Peru and all over the world as is the plan of this man (please understand, this is my latest encounter, not my only, with this teaching.) and his wife? Is this really the message we are to bring around the world? Are we really supposed to be preaching our culture and thoughts and values to people who have need of a Christ we can cling to even when (especially when) there is no healing and prosperity and relief of pain or even a drug store to walk in and buy a new set of wheels?<br />
So now I can move on to another church, maybe the one with the split between the pastor and the assistant pastor..oh, now I have two choices..and the same split divided families because only sinners went with the pastor according to the asst. pastor, and only visa versa. Because, of course, each on had THE TRUTH.  I could go on, I won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I agree with you that we are NOT supposed to have all the answers. No one has all the truth. We live in a world full of broken and fallen pieces and the question is not as much &#8220;why&#8221;, as what will I do with it? Telling the world that their poverty and sickness and lack of wealth and healing is a sign of their sinfulness is a great way to spread hate, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<blockquote><p>Linda, I think this is a great place for your comments, because now more people can read them, as compared to a private letter.  I agree with you completely, and have a file drawer full of letters from people who have experienced something of the rejection and pain you have felt because of insensitive and wrong-headed Christians.  The damage is especially pernicious in the developing world.  In those countries people flood in the front door believing they&#8217;ve found a magic solution to poverty, injustice, and suffering.  They leave with heads down out the back door, betrayed not by the Gospel (consider Jesus and Paul and their difficult lives) but by the misguided American overlay.  Preach it, sister. I apologize to you on behalf of the church that hurt you.<br />
Philip</p></blockquote>
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					<description><![CDATA[America was founded on the Godly ideals of freedom and equality as reflected in the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Four score and seven years later, Abraham Lincoln famously revisited the theme. America’s founding fathers had, he said, “brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”

These ideals are, of course, good—but they are so easily twisted into something that isn’t good at all. Whilst the freedom that America seems to embody is in many ways tantalising, I respectfully suggest that it is a distorted version of the original. It isn’t the kind of freedom symbolised by the garden within which Adam and Eve were free to roam; &lt;I&gt;that&lt;/I&gt; freedom was to be enjoyed in the context of God’s welcome company and providential care. Rather, it appears to be a counterfeit freedom focused on self as a substitute for God—a freedom represented by the forbidden fruit of which Adam and Eve took lustful bites to their (and our) harm.

The Bible teaches that real freedom is freedom &lt;I&gt;from&lt;/I&gt; self to love God and neighbour, not freedom &lt;I&gt;for&lt;/I&gt; self to the exclusion of God and neighbour. It seems to me that Life, Liberty and Happiness are not to be pursued as ends in themselves. No, &lt;I&gt;God&lt;/I&gt; is to be the focal point of our pursuit—and life, liberty and happiness are to be received gratefully as by-products of that pursuit. America’s founding ideals have this wrong. Though they are derived from God, they effectively oust God in the name of a false, godlike Self whose chief end is Life, Liberty and Happiness. God is invited along for the ride—“&lt;I&gt;God bless America!&lt;/I&gt;”—but only as the enabler of America’s quest for a fully actualized, even divine, Self.

One of the results of this elevated self-view is, frankly, arrogance on the international stage. There is much to like about America, but its deep-seated belief that it is, in President Obama’s words, “the last, best hope on earth,” probably isn’t among its most likeable characteristics. Too many Americans have a swagger about them. Americans are known the world over as “loud.” Hand-on-heart pride in one’s country is fine, but chest-thumping, condescending egotism is just plain unattractive—and ungodly. Maybe this super-confidence has something to do with why people who hate America do so with such conviction? I hasten to add, I’m not one of them.

I think God &lt;I&gt;yearns&lt;/I&gt; to bless America, but is America willing to lay down its quest for an aggrandized Self, clothe itself in humility and start pursuing God as an end in himself? Life, liberty and happiness are abundantly available in God, the only true Source of freedom in the universe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America was founded on the Godly ideals of freedom and equality as reflected in the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Four score and seven years later, Abraham Lincoln famously revisited the theme. America’s founding fathers had, he said, “brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”</p>
<p>These ideals are, of course, good—but they are so easily twisted into something that isn’t good at all. Whilst the freedom that America seems to embody is in many ways tantalising, I respectfully suggest that it is a distorted version of the original. It isn’t the kind of freedom symbolised by the garden within which Adam and Eve were free to roam; <i>that</i> freedom was to be enjoyed in the context of God’s welcome company and providential care. Rather, it appears to be a counterfeit freedom focused on self as a substitute for God—a freedom represented by the forbidden fruit of which Adam and Eve took lustful bites to their (and our) harm.</p>
<p>The Bible teaches that real freedom is freedom <i>from</i> self to love God and neighbour, not freedom <i>for</i> self to the exclusion of God and neighbour. It seems to me that Life, Liberty and Happiness are not to be pursued as ends in themselves. No, <i>God</i> is to be the focal point of our pursuit—and life, liberty and happiness are to be received gratefully as by-products of that pursuit. America’s founding ideals have this wrong. Though they are derived from God, they effectively oust God in the name of a false, godlike Self whose chief end is Life, Liberty and Happiness. God is invited along for the ride—“<i>God bless America!</i>”—but only as the enabler of America’s quest for a fully actualized, even divine, Self.</p>
<p>One of the results of this elevated self-view is, frankly, arrogance on the international stage. There is much to like about America, but its deep-seated belief that it is, in President Obama’s words, “the last, best hope on earth,” probably isn’t among its most likeable characteristics. Too many Americans have a swagger about them. Americans are known the world over as “loud.” Hand-on-heart pride in one’s country is fine, but chest-thumping, condescending egotism is just plain unattractive—and ungodly. Maybe this super-confidence has something to do with why people who hate America do so with such conviction? I hasten to add, I’m not one of them.</p>
<p>I think God <i>yearns</i> to bless America, but is America willing to lay down its quest for an aggrandized Self, clothe itself in humility and start pursuing God as an end in himself? Life, liberty and happiness are abundantly available in God, the only true Source of freedom in the universe.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Old Testament Attitude to Homosexuality
Gordon J Wenham *
Expository Times 102 (1991): 259-363.
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* The College of St Paul and St Mary, Cheltenham

That the Old Testament condemns homosexual acts is well known. Why it does so is a mystery. Various suggestions have been put forward. Driver and Miles[1] for example held that it was a development parallel to that in Mesopotamian law. The older Laws of Hammurapi do not mention the offence, whereas the Middle Assyrian laws condemn it. They suggested that a similar development occurred in Hebrew law. The earlier laws do not discuss homosexuality, while the latest (P) texts demand the death sentence for it (Lev 18:22, 20:13). Similarly Coleman[2] tries to derive the biblical attitude from the attitude of other nations, specifically the Egyptians. Indeed he suggests there was a common Semitic consensus opposing homosexual practice.

Now it cannot be ruled out a priori that the Old Testament shared its neighbours&#039; attitudes to homosexuality. There does seem to have been a large measure of agreement in the ancient world as far as heterosexuality was concerned. Marriage law and

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customs, for example, the repudiation of pre-marital intercourse and adultery, the acceptance of polygamy and divorce, seem to be much the same throughout all those Near Eastern cultures for which evidence is available.[3] The most obvious difference between Israel and its neighbours as far as heterosexual morality is concerned lies in the area of incest. Here the Old Testament rules,[4] forbidding union with consanguines and affines of the first and second-degree, go much farther than their neighbours, who sometimes even countenanced unions of consanguines of the first degree, e.g. brother and sister. So it could be that in repudiating homosexual practice the Old Testament is simply adopting the attitudes of surrounding nations.

However the evidence at present available suggests that this is not the case. The Old Testament rejection of all kinds of homosexual practice is apparently unique in the ancient world. Most of the ancient Near East adopted an attitude to ..... [excess content removed]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Old Testament Attitude to Homosexuality<br />
Gordon J Wenham *<br />
Expository Times 102 (1991): 259-363.<br />
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* The College of St Paul and St Mary, Cheltenham</p>
<p>That the Old Testament condemns homosexual acts is well known. Why it does so is a mystery. Various suggestions have been put forward. Driver and Miles[1] for example held that it was a development parallel to that in Mesopotamian law. The older Laws of Hammurapi do not mention the offence, whereas the Middle Assyrian laws condemn it. They suggested that a similar development occurred in Hebrew law. The earlier laws do not discuss homosexuality, while the latest (P) texts demand the death sentence for it (Lev 18:22, 20:13). Similarly Coleman[2] tries to derive the biblical attitude from the attitude of other nations, specifically the Egyptians. Indeed he suggests there was a common Semitic consensus opposing homosexual practice.</p>
<p>Now it cannot be ruled out a priori that the Old Testament shared its neighbours&#8217; attitudes to homosexuality. There does seem to have been a large measure of agreement in the ancient world as far as heterosexuality was concerned. Marriage law and</p>
<p>[p.360]</p>
<p>customs, for example, the repudiation of pre-marital intercourse and adultery, the acceptance of polygamy and divorce, seem to be much the same throughout all those Near Eastern cultures for which evidence is available.[3] The most obvious difference between Israel and its neighbours as far as heterosexual morality is concerned lies in the area of incest. Here the Old Testament rules,[4] forbidding union with consanguines and affines of the first and second-degree, go much farther than their neighbours, who sometimes even countenanced unions of consanguines of the first degree, e.g. brother and sister. So it could be that in repudiating homosexual practice the Old Testament is simply adopting the attitudes of surrounding nations.</p>
<p>However the evidence at present available suggests that this is not the case. The Old Testament rejection of all kinds of homosexual practice is apparently unique in the ancient world. Most of the ancient Near East adopted an attitude to &#8230;.. [excess content removed]</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is an excellent blog with a fine analysis of a multivariate problem.  Looking at this as an American who has lived in Ecuador for more than a decade, I can say that on an individual level the U.S. is quite popular as a place most Latins would like to visit or live.  Many have relatives who live in the U.S. and look on America with a smile. 

However, on a political level the U.S. is quite unpopular in Latin America.  There are many reasons for this (e.g., trade imbalances, U.S. military presence, or pollution from American companies&#039; irresponsible oil drilling practices, to name but three) but there is also the politically useful truth that there is nothing that can unite a fractured society or group of countries like a common enemy.  

Americans used to roll their eyes at Hugo Chávez, for example, when he tried to blame the U.S. for the earthquake in Haiti in 2010 and accused the U.S. of wanting to invade and militarily occupy Haiti, or when he hinted in 2011 that the U.S. gives cancer to South American leaders (like himself), or even that first capitalism, then imperialism, had arrived and dried up water on the planet Mars, but those comments (and others) were intended to be politically useful.  

In a less ridiculous fashion (but with great Latin fervor), Ecuador&#039;s president Rafael Correa has referred to the U.S. as Imperialist Yankees and has repeatedly taken the opportunity to criticize the U.S. to the press.  From a political standpoint, such South American leaders find the U.S. government to be a very convenient scapegoat, for again, a common enemy to blame for one&#039;s ills is an effective political tool for uniting people.

Historically, it strikes me that every country around the globe, both now and down throughout history, has always had the goal of working towards self-interest.  That is simply human nature.  So if that means that one nation takes advantage of another, so be it.  If the tables of fortune were turned, and the underdog became the top dog, the new top dog would take advantage of the old one.  That&#039;s how things go.

Thus the British historian quoted is quite right that the top dog is always hated - it goes with the territory.  

When the top dog is knocked off by another, the new top dog becomes the target of envy and hatred.  After all, do old former top dogs like Rome, Egypt, Greece or the Ottomans still inspire the same hatred and envy today that they must have inspired when in their prime so many moons ago?  Look at what happened a half millennia ago in what is now Mexico: the Aztecs were widely hated by their subjugated neighbors, but when the Spanish conquistadors destroyed the Aztec empire (with the help of many who were only too happy to dethrone the Aztecs), the conquistadors became the new bad guys.

When the day comes that the U.S. is no longer the top dog or perhaps not even in the top group (and it will happen, if history is any guide to the fate of nations), I suspect that politically the U.S. will cease to be such a political whipping boy in many countries.

BTW, I enjoyed not just the fine article but reading the informed comments by others living abroad in response to it...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent blog with a fine analysis of a multivariate problem.  Looking at this as an American who has lived in Ecuador for more than a decade, I can say that on an individual level the U.S. is quite popular as a place most Latins would like to visit or live.  Many have relatives who live in the U.S. and look on America with a smile. </p>
<p>However, on a political level the U.S. is quite unpopular in Latin America.  There are many reasons for this (e.g., trade imbalances, U.S. military presence, or pollution from American companies&#8217; irresponsible oil drilling practices, to name but three) but there is also the politically useful truth that there is nothing that can unite a fractured society or group of countries like a common enemy.  </p>
<p>Americans used to roll their eyes at Hugo Chávez, for example, when he tried to blame the U.S. for the earthquake in Haiti in 2010 and accused the U.S. of wanting to invade and militarily occupy Haiti, or when he hinted in 2011 that the U.S. gives cancer to South American leaders (like himself), or even that first capitalism, then imperialism, had arrived and dried up water on the planet Mars, but those comments (and others) were intended to be politically useful.  </p>
<p>In a less ridiculous fashion (but with great Latin fervor), Ecuador&#8217;s president Rafael Correa has referred to the U.S. as Imperialist Yankees and has repeatedly taken the opportunity to criticize the U.S. to the press.  From a political standpoint, such South American leaders find the U.S. government to be a very convenient scapegoat, for again, a common enemy to blame for one&#8217;s ills is an effective political tool for uniting people.</p>
<p>Historically, it strikes me that every country around the globe, both now and down throughout history, has always had the goal of working towards self-interest.  That is simply human nature.  So if that means that one nation takes advantage of another, so be it.  If the tables of fortune were turned, and the underdog became the top dog, the new top dog would take advantage of the old one.  That&#8217;s how things go.</p>
<p>Thus the British historian quoted is quite right that the top dog is always hated &#8211; it goes with the territory.  </p>
<p>When the top dog is knocked off by another, the new top dog becomes the target of envy and hatred.  After all, do old former top dogs like Rome, Egypt, Greece or the Ottomans still inspire the same hatred and envy today that they must have inspired when in their prime so many moons ago?  Look at what happened a half millennia ago in what is now Mexico: the Aztecs were widely hated by their subjugated neighbors, but when the Spanish conquistadors destroyed the Aztec empire (with the help of many who were only too happy to dethrone the Aztecs), the conquistadors became the new bad guys.</p>
<p>When the day comes that the U.S. is no longer the top dog or perhaps not even in the top group (and it will happen, if history is any guide to the fate of nations), I suspect that politically the U.S. will cease to be such a political whipping boy in many countries.</p>
<p>BTW, I enjoyed not just the fine article but reading the informed comments by others living abroad in response to it&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent read, loved the post. As usual, you stretch the mind and educate. While we must take responsibility for our flaws and how they affect the world around us, the best answer I&#039;ve heard as to why Radical Islam hates us came from Bin Laden himself;

“We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent read, loved the post. As usual, you stretch the mind and educate. While we must take responsibility for our flaws and how they affect the world around us, the best answer I&#8217;ve heard as to why Radical Islam hates us came from Bin Laden himself;</p>
<p>“We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.”</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice article Philip. Boy, big question. I must admit, I think the guy who said it&#039;s because we&#039;re the top dog is pretty close to accurate. Why does a teenager hate loving parents? Everyone who is miserable seeks to find someone to blame for his or her misery. The US is hardly perfect, but we are hardly to blame for all the worlds ills. I am continually incredulous at the level of irony in the writings of those who would blame America for being clumsy, self-interested, arrogant, judgmental, etc, as many have done in responding to your article.  These people judge a time and place in American history (e.g. Philadelphia, circa 1789) far more harshly than they would blame Islamic terrorist for blowing up the world trade center. They fail to realize that their are many ways to read history.  Sure you can say that America was built on the backs of slave labor and that our forefathers failed when they did not set the slaves free when they wrote the Constitution, and perhaps you would be correct. But you can also say that our forefathers, through the founding of this nation based on the principles of freedom, laid the foundation for the ultimate freeing of the slaves, women&#039;s suffrage, and an unprecedented level of prosperity that has extended to a significant portion of the world. And you can judge Truman for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima. But it wasn&#039;t your son or husband or brother who was going to die trying to invade the Japanese homeland. My goal here is not to justify anyone; I certainly am not trying to defend slavery! I guess what I&#039;m saying is, judge not, let you be judged! Jesus didn&#039;t  say it&#039;s okay to judge the rich and powerful, just make sure you don&#039;t judge the poor and weak. He said, don&#039;t judge. I&#039;m not sure the important question is why they hate us. We should always seek to improve as a people and a country regardless of why they hate us.  However, I&#039;m not sure that we should be guided by the question of why they hate us to determine how we should improve. A parent should always seek to be the best parent possible and yes we can look at our kids to a certain degree to get a gauge on how we&#039;re doing, but we might be great parents and still have kids that hate us. They hate us because Christ is not yet all, in all and their is still evil in the world. And as long as that is the case, there will always be hatred in the world. Yes we have much to improve upon as a nation, but the hatred of other nations and peoples is hardly a barometer for determining how we&#039;re doing. Christ was perfect and yet he was hated. The best thing we can do is not hate them back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Philip. Boy, big question. I must admit, I think the guy who said it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re the top dog is pretty close to accurate. Why does a teenager hate loving parents? Everyone who is miserable seeks to find someone to blame for his or her misery. The US is hardly perfect, but we are hardly to blame for all the worlds ills. I am continually incredulous at the level of irony in the writings of those who would blame America for being clumsy, self-interested, arrogant, judgmental, etc, as many have done in responding to your article.  These people judge a time and place in American history (e.g. Philadelphia, circa 1789) far more harshly than they would blame Islamic terrorist for blowing up the world trade center. They fail to realize that their are many ways to read history.  Sure you can say that America was built on the backs of slave labor and that our forefathers failed when they did not set the slaves free when they wrote the Constitution, and perhaps you would be correct. But you can also say that our forefathers, through the founding of this nation based on the principles of freedom, laid the foundation for the ultimate freeing of the slaves, women&#8217;s suffrage, and an unprecedented level of prosperity that has extended to a significant portion of the world. And you can judge Truman for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima. But it wasn&#8217;t your son or husband or brother who was going to die trying to invade the Japanese homeland. My goal here is not to justify anyone; I certainly am not trying to defend slavery! I guess what I&#8217;m saying is, judge not, let you be judged! Jesus didn&#8217;t  say it&#8217;s okay to judge the rich and powerful, just make sure you don&#8217;t judge the poor and weak. He said, don&#8217;t judge. I&#8217;m not sure the important question is why they hate us. We should always seek to improve as a people and a country regardless of why they hate us.  However, I&#8217;m not sure that we should be guided by the question of why they hate us to determine how we should improve. A parent should always seek to be the best parent possible and yes we can look at our kids to a certain degree to get a gauge on how we&#8217;re doing, but we might be great parents and still have kids that hate us. They hate us because Christ is not yet all, in all and their is still evil in the world. And as long as that is the case, there will always be hatred in the world. Yes we have much to improve upon as a nation, but the hatred of other nations and peoples is hardly a barometer for determining how we&#8217;re doing. Christ was perfect and yet he was hated. The best thing we can do is not hate them back.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amidst all of these tragedies, I keep remembering Jesus&#039; words about how &#039;they will know you by your love&#039; and how rarely that happens, in terms of the news media.
They hate us because we do hateful things, all the while declaring our virtue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amidst all of these tragedies, I keep remembering Jesus&#8217; words about how &#8216;they will know you by your love&#8217; and how rarely that happens, in terms of the news media.<br />
They hate us because we do hateful things, all the while declaring our virtue.</p>
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