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A Tale of Two Families

by Philip Yancey

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In the process of writing a memoir, I have been reflecting on the families of two sisters.  The first, Joyce, ruled with the iron hand of legalism.  Her five kids obeyed a lengthy set of strict rules—“Because I say so, that’s why!”  Now grown, they tell me they acquiesced mainly out of fear of punishment.

Joyce’s family devotions often centered on the Old Testament: Honor your parents, Fear the Lord, Stop grumbling.  The word grace rarely came up.  When her children got married, Joyce told them, “If your marriage fails, don’t bother coming back here.  You made a vow to God, so keep it.”

All of Joyce’s children have struggled with self-image problems.  They admit it has taken many years for them to think of God as loving, and even now that concept seems more intellectual than experiential.  Joyce and her husband have softened into grandparents, but affection still does not come easily to anyone in the family.

Yet here is a striking fact: defying an overwhelming national trend, all five of those children remain married to their original partners.  They’ve chosen jobs in the helping professions.  All but one are raising their own children in the faith.  At some level, strictness and legalism in this family produced results.

In contrast to Joyce, her sister Annette determined to break out of the rigidity of their own upbringing.  She vowed not to punish her children, rather to love them, comfort them, and calmly explain when they did something wrong.  Her family devotions skipped right past the Old Testament and focused on Jesus’ astonishing parables of grace and forgiveness.

Annette especially loved the story of the Prodigal Son.  “We are those parents,” she would tell her children.  “No matter what you do, no matter what happens, we’ll be here waiting to welcome you back.”

Unfortunately, Annette and her husband would have many opportunities to role-play the parents of the prodigal.  One daughter contracted AIDS through sexual promiscuity.  Another is on her fourth marriage.  A son alternates between prison and a drug rehab center.

Annette has kept her promise, though, always welcoming her children home.  She looks after the grandchildren, posts bail, covers mortgage payments—whatever it takes to live out her commitment of long-suffering love.  I marvel at her spirit of grace and acceptance.  “What do you expect?” she shrugs.  “They’re my children.  You don’t stop loving your own children.”

 

I grew up in a home and church more like Joyce’s.  After a period of rejection and rebellion, I discovered a God of love and forgiveness.  (More accurately, God found me).  I ended up as a Christian writer, piping the tune of grace.  My brother, raised in the same environment, tossed faith aside.  He now attends what he calls an “atheist church”—a Sunday gathering of humanists who spend much time talking about and opposing a God they don’t believe in—and stocks his bookshelf with works by noted atheists such as Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.

“No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun,” concluded the Teacher of Ecclesiastes.  “Despite all their efforts to search it out, no one can discover its meaning.  Even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it.”

A friend of mine, a wise counselor, says that human behavior can be explained by three things: nature (or heredity), nurture (including family upbringing), and free will.  Which, he quickly admits, explains very little, for those ingredients combine in different ways in all of us.  Loving, supportive families sometimes produce wounded and rebellious children; harsh or dysfunctional families sometimes produce the opposite.  In between lies mystery—and God’s grace.

(I welcome hearing your stories of how family did, or didn’t, provide a nurturing balance in cultivating the life of faith.)

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  1. Greg Avatar
    Greg

    Mr. Yancey,
    I claim your book, “What’s so Amazing about Grace as one of my all time favorites. I have read it at least 4 times. I still thirst for grace, and your book help quench that for a season. I am sending you something I wrote recently concerning my two grandmothers and the change in our culture. Things are never as black and white as we would prefer, and certainly not when we seek to use simplicity and complexities only for pragmatic reasons. Thank you for your writings and examples of grace.

    A Tale of my two Racist Grandmothers

    My grandmothers both taught in my Sunday school class growing up. My maternal grandmother, Wilma Hancock was from Mississippi, and arrived in Oklahoma in her late 40’s. My paternal grandmother, Catherine Roller was from Oklahoma, but her ancestors the Chickasaw Indians, had their origins in the south, my maternal grandmother’s birth place.

    Both of my grandmothers were bible believing Christians. Their backgrounds though diverse, converged in their mutual faith and belief in the bible. I was young when I attended their Sunday School class, but I remember my grandmother Roller smiling while taking attendance when I entered the door, and my grandmother Hancock herding the energetic children around small wooden tables. We painted with water colors, played with playdough and listened to bible stories. There was great comfort in my grandparent’s presence as the two sentinels of consistency and stability faithfully stood guard.

    Both of my grandmothers worked hard raising their families and both were faithful to their husbands. Neither divorced, and their lives centered on their God, their faith, and their families. When I attended Sunday School class in 1972 they were considered Christian American Homemakers. Today in our culture’s zero-sum, binary game they would be considered racist. Please let me explain.

    My grandmother Hancock loved the south, and felt blessed by her southern heritage. She admired Robert E. Lee, and taught me that his horse was named Traveller. She said she admired his humility and sincere faith in God. My grandmother also deplored slavery, and on many occasions with strong emotion, explained to me the evil nature of slavery and reminded me frequently that slavery was never God’s intention. My grandmother believed in traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and abhorred divorce, especially when children were involved.

    My grandmother Roller was 1/2 Chickasaw Indian. She attended church regularly with her family. She was always kind with a ready smile. During one of our last conversations we discussed her early life. She told me of attending an Indian Boarding School 40 miles south from where she grew up. When I asked why she just didn’t attend where she lived, she looked at me like I wasn’t the swiftest runner in the pack. She answered with a pained expression that I can still picture to this day, “Greg, I couldn’t. We weren’t allowed to attend school with the white kids.” I was stunned, during all the years growing up in her Sunday School Class, and being in her home, I never knew. She never talked of it. She moved on and lived her life. She too deplored slavery, yet her ancestors didn’t. It is an established fact that the Chickasaw Indians had slaves, and were one of the last tribes to free them.

    Both of my grandmothers believed in traditional marriage between a man and a woman, based on their beliefs in their bibles, and cultural traditions going back thousands of years. Both deplored slavery, though both of their distant relatives owned slaves. Yet, despite their marked differences, both worshiped the same “Jewish” Savior together every Sunday morning. Now, in our current zero-sum culture, based on these brief narratives, I was raised by racist Grandmothers. One of which was prohibited from attending school with her white classmates, and whose ancestors owned slaves. Can Don Lemon please parse this out for me, so that I can align my beliefs correctly with CNN and avoid being a racist? Where is Van Jones when we need him?

    Do you see how far we have gone down the road to idiocy? Today, if you embrace the values that both of my grandmothers instilled in my youth, you’re a racist. So, how did these two raciest grandmothers from completely different cultural backgrounds coexist in harmony? They focused on what they had in common instead of what they didn’t. They looked to the future, forgetting the past, and they were both Americans first, both believed in God, and both were dedicated to their families. That’s the country they both taught me to believe in, and to contribute to.

    Today, if your religious convictions constrain you from baking a cake for a gay wedding, you’re sued. If you believe in the traditional union between a man and a woman, you’re a hateful raciest. I have a question for those playing the zero-sum game. Was President Obama and Secretary Clinton hateful raciest when they supported traditional marriage during their early campaigning, or was that forgotten after their miraculous epiphanies that coincided with their getting more votes for their evolving convictions?

    Many on the left love playing the role of enlightened, level-headed sophisticates. All things are permissible in moderation, slow and steady as you go…until they’re in the driver’s seat. Then they impose universal health care unilaterally and presumptuously light our nation’s most iconic symbol in rainbow colors. A gesture that would have grieved both of my grandmothers greatly. But, why should I be surprised? They were both racist.

    Isn’t it incredible how excruciatingly difficult and complex the liberal’s criteria has become for differentiating between a man and a woman, but how overtly simplistic their standards are for identifying a racist? Basically, if you don’t agree with their world view, their historical perspective, their social agendas, you’re a racist.

    And what will the left’s criteria be for what gets torn down or removed? I’m sure if it’s monuments they find offensive like the ten commandments it will be as simple as Ned in the first reader, but if it’s perhaps politically correct phallic symbols tastefully placed around enlightened coffee shops…well, the criteria will probably be much more nuanced and sophisticated.

    I spoke with a man today that I have a deep respect for. He served in Vietnam, and in the Iraqi war. Despite being on the back side of 50 he volunteered to return to the fight out of a loyalty to the young soldiers he had trained. He was wounded and airlifted to Germany, and then back to the United States. He’s retired from the military finally, but is still actively working hard on behalf of veterans in his second career. He loves his country and his God. I heard him say recently that he’s sick and tired of those on the east and west coast seeking to dictate how those in the Midwest should live. That speaks volumes as to why the Democrats lost the election, and why the facilitating Republicans should beware.

    It’s not the crazy neo-Nazis, or deluded white supremacist that the left should worry about, and it’s not the Marxist Left that the career establishment Republicans should worry about. It’s that indistinct middle America. The America that confounded the self-proclaimed experts this past election. Those who have fought with their black, white, and red brothers on foreign soil where loyalty isn’t purchased by lobbyist, but forged in shared suffering. Those that fight for principles that the Left and the Right continually fail to grasp.

    They fight for Ideals instilled in them by parents and grandparents like mine, ideals of loyalty, sacrifice, and self-determination. A firm conviction that you should let others decide for themselves how they should live, but when they seek to impose their choices on you, be very careful and “don’t tread on me.” Ideals that carried my Chickasaw Grandmother through forced boarding schools, and kept her from succumbing to bitterness, and persevering to see 3 of her 5 children graduate college with advanced degrees. Ideals that could reconcile two very dissimilar cultures and blend them gracefully into a blessing that trickled down on me every Sunday morning in their classroom.

    In the military, I was taught to never be too concerned with those doing all the talking because an empty wagon makes a lot of noise. No, the dangerous one’s mind their own business, keep their mouths shut, their heads down, and quietly go about contributing to the greater good.

    I am convinced when President Obama sought to impose his sudden evolving views on traditional marriage by lighting up the White House in the colors of his epiphany and when he could find no greater causes than to dictate who could relieve themselves where, the giant of indistinct Middle America was awakened, and our country has been in birth pangs ever since. I can’t tell you what will eventually be birthed, but if those on the left and the right are impatient to find out, just keep poking the bear.

  2. Beth Avatar
    Beth

    I grew up in the “Joyce” family. No radios in the house. No dancing. No listening to music, except rare approvals from our mother. No movie theatres. We did what our mother said, when she said it, and “Because I said so” was the answer to absolutely everything. My siblings and I turned out to be highly successful people, but I decided that I would parent through proactive, disciplined attachment, and not through reactive punishments. Now I’m parenting more like “Annette,” but this post gives me a bit of a scare! Annette probably swung the pendulum too far and became a permissive parent. There’s a big difference between always keeping a place for prodigal children and simply becoming an enabler.

  3. James H Grummer Avatar
    James H Grummer

    Dear Philip: For years I have read your postings and reflected on my own walk of faith dating back to LaSalle Street Church. Like you, I grew up fearing God, seeing Him as the “cop in the sky”, watching my every move. As a young boy, God never entered my household and I began to see “going to church” as just an item in my family’s “to do” list. Christ came to life at LaSalle Street Church and adult Bible studies with you. Janet added the element of service on Sunday morning breakfasts. Without knowing it, God was laying in His foundation for me. The years passed, and I found myself divorced and suffering from clinical depression. Needing a change, I moved to Florida to be closer to my parents. I started my own company, restored a beach house and traveled around the world. I slowly reinvented myself through God’s grace. Strangely, in all the years of living in Florida, I had never found a church home. For better or worse, I compared every church to my LaSalle experience. They all came up short, but my faith in Christ remains strong. I have read many of your books along the way, and surrounded myself with other Christ followers, but the search for a church home now seems irrelevant. I’m plagues by my thoughts. How can I love the Lord and not be a regular attender ? Isn’t being in church what Christ wants ? Why can’t I lower my standards ? The questions are endless. In the end, I find myself grateful for your ministry, your writings. So, thank you Philip. Writing you has been on my mind for years, I’m thankful today was the day. Hope you are enjoying life, Janet, the Rockies and the Cubs. With peace, James H. Grummer

    1. Philip Yancey Avatar
      Philip Yancey

      So good to “virtually” reconnect, Jim! We’ve never found a church to equal LSC either. Those were very formative years, and I’m glad we’ve been companions along the way. –Philip

  4. Debbie Wilson Avatar
    Debbie Wilson

    Philip, I love how you challenge us to think. Life is surely a paradox. The families in this post sounded like two opposite ends of the spectrum of faith. Of course a few short paragraphs can’t show everything about them. I was reminded of John 1:17 “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” I’ve heard people separate grace from truth instead of the law from grace and truth. Jesus told some hard truths that I look at as guardrails on a steep mountain road. They protect us, not rob our freedom. Reading the Old Testament through the eyes of grace brings us to what Jonah knew and why he didn’t want to preach to his enemy, ” I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.” His message of pending judgment brought life not death to a whole city. That is so opposite of how we think.
    I think the goal in parenting/life should be to walk in the Spirit. That may mean tough restrictions one time and a hug the next. The Holy Spirit, not rigid rules or mushy sentimentality should be our guide. (Easier said than done!) It may seem less efficient to seek God’s wisdom in each situation than to fall back on our default response, but I believe that is the only way to produce real spiritual fruit. We want healthy individuals, not robots.
    I failed many times with my kids, but, by God’s grace, they both love the Lord and us. And they are thinkers. My mother would ask for forgiveness when she lost her temper. I’m thankful of her example, because I had to follow it more often than I want to remember.
    I recently finished “What’s so Amazing About Grace.” Excellent, challenging and inspiring. Look forward to you next book!

  5. Warren Avatar
    Warren

    I too grew up in a “thou shalt not” home. Yet I really enjoyed my friendships at church and the sense of community it provided. Now my views about God would be considered progressive, and I ache when I witness the dogmatic certainties of fundamentalist Christians who are well-meaning but short-sighted. When I was a kid I needed the structure provided by my religious system, but as an adult I became ready for a fuller understanding of humanity’s relationship with God. Seems to me that is the message of I Cor. 13: 11.

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  1. Mr. Yancey,
    I claim your book, “What’s so Amazing about Grace as one of my all time favorites. I have read it at least 4 times. I still thirst for grace, and your book help quench that for a season. I am sending you something I wrote recently concerning my two grandmothers and the change in our culture. Things are never as black and white as we would prefer, and certainly not when we seek to use simplicity and complexities only for pragmatic reasons. Thank you for your writings and examples of grace.

    A Tale of my two Racist Grandmothers

    My grandmothers both taught in my Sunday school class growing up. My maternal grandmother, Wilma Hancock was from Mississippi, and arrived in Oklahoma in her late 40’s. My paternal grandmother, Catherine Roller was from Oklahoma, but her ancestors the Chickasaw Indians, had their origins in the south, my maternal grandmother’s birth place.

    Both of my grandmothers were bible believing Christians. Their backgrounds though diverse, converged in their mutual faith and belief in the bible. I was young when I attended their Sunday School class, but I remember my grandmother Roller smiling while taking attendance when I entered the door, and my grandmother Hancock herding the energetic children around small wooden tables. We painted with water colors, played with playdough and listened to bible stories. There was great comfort in my grandparent’s presence as the two sentinels of consistency and stability faithfully stood guard.

    Both of my grandmothers worked hard raising their families and both were faithful to their husbands. Neither divorced, and their lives centered on their God, their faith, and their families. When I attended Sunday School class in 1972 they were considered Christian American Homemakers. Today in our culture’s zero-sum, binary game they would be considered racist. Please let me explain.

    My grandmother Hancock loved the south, and felt blessed by her southern heritage. She admired Robert E. Lee, and taught me that his horse was named Traveller. She said she admired his humility and sincere faith in God. My grandmother also deplored slavery, and on many occasions with strong emotion, explained to me the evil nature of slavery and reminded me frequently that slavery was never God’s intention. My grandmother believed in traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and abhorred divorce, especially when children were involved.

    My grandmother Roller was 1/2 Chickasaw Indian. She attended church regularly with her family. She was always kind with a ready smile. During one of our last conversations we discussed her early life. She told me of attending an Indian Boarding School 40 miles south from where she grew up. When I asked why she just didn’t attend where she lived, she looked at me like I wasn’t the swiftest runner in the pack. She answered with a pained expression that I can still picture to this day, “Greg, I couldn’t. We weren’t allowed to attend school with the white kids.” I was stunned, during all the years growing up in her Sunday School Class, and being in her home, I never knew. She never talked of it. She moved on and lived her life. She too deplored slavery, yet her ancestors didn’t. It is an established fact that the Chickasaw Indians had slaves, and were one of the last tribes to free them.

    Both of my grandmothers believed in traditional marriage between a man and a woman, based on their beliefs in their bibles, and cultural traditions going back thousands of years. Both deplored slavery, though both of their distant relatives owned slaves. Yet, despite their marked differences, both worshiped the same “Jewish” Savior together every Sunday morning. Now, in our current zero-sum culture, based on these brief narratives, I was raised by racist Grandmothers. One of which was prohibited from attending school with her white classmates, and whose ancestors owned slaves. Can Don Lemon please parse this out for me, so that I can align my beliefs correctly with CNN and avoid being a racist? Where is Van Jones when we need him?

    Do you see how far we have gone down the road to idiocy? Today, if you embrace the values that both of my grandmothers instilled in my youth, you’re a racist. So, how did these two raciest grandmothers from completely different cultural backgrounds coexist in harmony? They focused on what they had in common instead of what they didn’t. They looked to the future, forgetting the past, and they were both Americans first, both believed in God, and both were dedicated to their families. That’s the country they both taught me to believe in, and to contribute to.

    Today, if your religious convictions constrain you from baking a cake for a gay wedding, you’re sued. If you believe in the traditional union between a man and a woman, you’re a hateful raciest. I have a question for those playing the zero-sum game. Was President Obama and Secretary Clinton hateful raciest when they supported traditional marriage during their early campaigning, or was that forgotten after their miraculous epiphanies that coincided with their getting more votes for their evolving convictions?

    Many on the left love playing the role of enlightened, level-headed sophisticates. All things are permissible in moderation, slow and steady as you go…until they’re in the driver’s seat. Then they impose universal health care unilaterally and presumptuously light our nation’s most iconic symbol in rainbow colors. A gesture that would have grieved both of my grandmothers greatly. But, why should I be surprised? They were both racist.

    Isn’t it incredible how excruciatingly difficult and complex the liberal’s criteria has become for differentiating between a man and a woman, but how overtly simplistic their standards are for identifying a racist? Basically, if you don’t agree with their world view, their historical perspective, their social agendas, you’re a racist.

    And what will the left’s criteria be for what gets torn down or removed? I’m sure if it’s monuments they find offensive like the ten commandments it will be as simple as Ned in the first reader, but if it’s perhaps politically correct phallic symbols tastefully placed around enlightened coffee shops…well, the criteria will probably be much more nuanced and sophisticated.

    I spoke with a man today that I have a deep respect for. He served in Vietnam, and in the Iraqi war. Despite being on the back side of 50 he volunteered to return to the fight out of a loyalty to the young soldiers he had trained. He was wounded and airlifted to Germany, and then back to the United States. He’s retired from the military finally, but is still actively working hard on behalf of veterans in his second career. He loves his country and his God. I heard him say recently that he’s sick and tired of those on the east and west coast seeking to dictate how those in the Midwest should live. That speaks volumes as to why the Democrats lost the election, and why the facilitating Republicans should beware.

    It’s not the crazy neo-Nazis, or deluded white supremacist that the left should worry about, and it’s not the Marxist Left that the career establishment Republicans should worry about. It’s that indistinct middle America. The America that confounded the self-proclaimed experts this past election. Those who have fought with their black, white, and red brothers on foreign soil where loyalty isn’t purchased by lobbyist, but forged in shared suffering. Those that fight for principles that the Left and the Right continually fail to grasp.

    They fight for Ideals instilled in them by parents and grandparents like mine, ideals of loyalty, sacrifice, and self-determination. A firm conviction that you should let others decide for themselves how they should live, but when they seek to impose their choices on you, be very careful and “don’t tread on me.” Ideals that carried my Chickasaw Grandmother through forced boarding schools, and kept her from succumbing to bitterness, and persevering to see 3 of her 5 children graduate college with advanced degrees. Ideals that could reconcile two very dissimilar cultures and blend them gracefully into a blessing that trickled down on me every Sunday morning in their classroom.

    In the military, I was taught to never be too concerned with those doing all the talking because an empty wagon makes a lot of noise. No, the dangerous one’s mind their own business, keep their mouths shut, their heads down, and quietly go about contributing to the greater good.

    I am convinced when President Obama sought to impose his sudden evolving views on traditional marriage by lighting up the White House in the colors of his epiphany and when he could find no greater causes than to dictate who could relieve themselves where, the giant of indistinct Middle America was awakened, and our country has been in birth pangs ever since. I can’t tell you what will eventually be birthed, but if those on the left and the right are impatient to find out, just keep poking the bear.

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  2. I grew up in the “Joyce” family. No radios in the house. No dancing. No listening to music, except rare approvals from our mother. No movie theatres. We did what our mother said, when she said it, and “Because I said so” was the answer to absolutely everything. My siblings and I turned out to be highly successful people, but I decided that I would parent through proactive, disciplined attachment, and not through reactive punishments. Now I’m parenting more like “Annette,” but this post gives me a bit of a scare! Annette probably swung the pendulum too far and became a permissive parent. There’s a big difference between always keeping a place for prodigal children and simply becoming an enabler.

    Reply
  3. Dear Philip: For years I have read your postings and reflected on my own walk of faith dating back to LaSalle Street Church. Like you, I grew up fearing God, seeing Him as the “cop in the sky”, watching my every move. As a young boy, God never entered my household and I began to see “going to church” as just an item in my family’s “to do” list. Christ came to life at LaSalle Street Church and adult Bible studies with you. Janet added the element of service on Sunday morning breakfasts. Without knowing it, God was laying in His foundation for me. The years passed, and I found myself divorced and suffering from clinical depression. Needing a change, I moved to Florida to be closer to my parents. I started my own company, restored a beach house and traveled around the world. I slowly reinvented myself through God’s grace. Strangely, in all the years of living in Florida, I had never found a church home. For better or worse, I compared every church to my LaSalle experience. They all came up short, but my faith in Christ remains strong. I have read many of your books along the way, and surrounded myself with other Christ followers, but the search for a church home now seems irrelevant. I’m plagues by my thoughts. How can I love the Lord and not be a regular attender ? Isn’t being in church what Christ wants ? Why can’t I lower my standards ? The questions are endless. In the end, I find myself grateful for your ministry, your writings. So, thank you Philip. Writing you has been on my mind for years, I’m thankful today was the day. Hope you are enjoying life, Janet, the Rockies and the Cubs. With peace, James H. Grummer

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    • So good to “virtually” reconnect, Jim! We’ve never found a church to equal LSC either. Those were very formative years, and I’m glad we’ve been companions along the way. –Philip

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  4. Philip, I love how you challenge us to think. Life is surely a paradox. The families in this post sounded like two opposite ends of the spectrum of faith. Of course a few short paragraphs can’t show everything about them. I was reminded of John 1:17 “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” I’ve heard people separate grace from truth instead of the law from grace and truth. Jesus told some hard truths that I look at as guardrails on a steep mountain road. They protect us, not rob our freedom. Reading the Old Testament through the eyes of grace brings us to what Jonah knew and why he didn’t want to preach to his enemy, ” I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.” His message of pending judgment brought life not death to a whole city. That is so opposite of how we think.
    I think the goal in parenting/life should be to walk in the Spirit. That may mean tough restrictions one time and a hug the next. The Holy Spirit, not rigid rules or mushy sentimentality should be our guide. (Easier said than done!) It may seem less efficient to seek God’s wisdom in each situation than to fall back on our default response, but I believe that is the only way to produce real spiritual fruit. We want healthy individuals, not robots.
    I failed many times with my kids, but, by God’s grace, they both love the Lord and us. And they are thinkers. My mother would ask for forgiveness when she lost her temper. I’m thankful of her example, because I had to follow it more often than I want to remember.
    I recently finished “What’s so Amazing About Grace.” Excellent, challenging and inspiring. Look forward to you next book!

    Reply
  5. I too grew up in a “thou shalt not” home. Yet I really enjoyed my friendships at church and the sense of community it provided. Now my views about God would be considered progressive, and I ache when I witness the dogmatic certainties of fundamentalist Christians who are well-meaning but short-sighted. When I was a kid I needed the structure provided by my religious system, but as an adult I became ready for a fuller understanding of humanity’s relationship with God. Seems to me that is the message of I Cor. 13: 11.

    Reply

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